Friday, November 11, 2005

[Manchester_United_2004] Digest Number 916

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: i think sir alex outwitted jose
From: Sailesh Ganesh <saileshganesh@yahoo.co.in>
2. Re: Re: Great performance
From: yoga@asc.co.id
3. Re: Re: Great performance
From: Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk>
4. Poll results for Manchester_United_2004
From: Manchester_United_2004
5. poll
From: "wisdomking456" <wisdomking456@hotmail.co.uk>
6. Re: Great performance
From: "Ash" <ashleymillin@yahoo.com>
7. Re: i think sir alex outwitted jose
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
8. Reply to WTC
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:37:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Sailesh Ganesh <saileshganesh@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: Re: i think sir alex outwitted jose

Heya guys

Its been a long time since I last posted (quite simply, I was too freakin busy), so here goes.

First up, great victory by the lads, they deserve every bit of the accolades that has come their way. I admit I was among those who did not think we could win the game - I'd have been satisfied with a draw, though I was hoping we would sneak a win - but the performance left me floored, and made me a believer again. Admittedly, not playing Robben played into our hands, but Chelsea still had the strongest side on paper in the premiership playing for them. Manchester United has the quality to win the premiership, and the champions league. The important question then is why did they not perform against Middlesborough and Lillee? Were they just not arsed to perform, is it that the team can only lift itself for the big games? If that is the case, then it is a very sad situation, but I can only hope that the team builds on from this performance and avoids a repeat of last season where after defeating Arsenal, they went on a miserable run. All that I demand is consistent
performances by the players, and the rest of the world can keep watching as we sweep everything in sight! I truly believe after one game that we can do it, but only if the players put in that extra effort.

Positive points of the game:
Ronaldo showed us what he can do on his day. He kept the Chelsea defenders busy all the time with his direct running and caused them all sorts of problems that prevented them from settling into a rhythm.

Fletcher showed us that he has the talent to perform. Too often, we've seen mediocre performances from him, almost as if he is afraid to do the audacious, but when he tries his best, and sheds his inhibitions, he can be a very good player. Anyone remember the FA Cup semi-final two seasons ago against the Arse (and the final against Milwall?) where Fletcher dominated the center of midfield? We saw that again on Saturday - except it was a domination of the right flank.

Ferdinand reminded us again of why we paid £30m to sign him. Except for an early lapse of concentration, he defended with grit (whats that again??). More performances like that and we can play a gung-ho style of football and yet expect not to concede.

Smithy proved that given time, he can take on Keano's role as a defensive midfielder. Yet again, it has been shown how vital the central midfield role is, as Smithy never let Chelski get comfortable on the ball. Those 3 tackles in as many seconds will never be forgotten.

4-4-2 is the way to go. All our recent good performances have stemmed from a 4-4-2 formation. It works when Smithy plays like hes in the form of his life. It works when the wingers are prepared to go forward at the drop of a hat. It was nostalgic the way we had 4 playing up front at times, it certainly caused Chelsea lots of problems, and they were simply unable to cope with it.

Most importantly, the team showed a lot of soul, and played with the spirit that we associate Manchester United with. Long may performances like this continue.
Btw, Kunal, we played only 2 in the middle (Smithy and Scholesy), and not 4 as you suggested. Ronaldo and Fletcher played on the wings and provided invaluable width for us, and that was what made the difference at the end of the day.

Sailesh

kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com> wrote: the team selection from JOSE was a blunder.

not playing robben and crespo.

robben playing with duff was simply electrifying in the previous season

i think SIR ALEX outwittted JOSE

we played 4 in the middle which really helped us to tackle their big 3 in the middle

they would have outplayed us if we were 3 in the middle


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:12:48 +0700
From: yoga@asc.co.id
Subject: Re: Re: Great performance

It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to hate them
that much.
U should give them break for some times.
Deadly love MU!!


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11/08/2005 03:18 PM
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i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this year.
most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by the way
the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the shop and
you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like maniacs in
the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic running
around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight with them
but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to file:
pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!

cheers

sam

"WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
team but we still lost the match!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> result was in our favour
> but
> i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> and everybody knows that
>
> but still it was a fabulous win for us
>
> well done!!
>
>
> harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One". Everything
> that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in abundance
at
> Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
yesterday
> making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win yesterday
> and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
winnning
> all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not help
> but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only 3
> clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van der
> sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
time.We
> had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
put
> one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
on
> the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
passion
> for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
was.He
> surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
is
> United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
say
> to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
a
> disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
at
> Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
win
> over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
taken
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:09:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Great performance

i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise you'll make me very angry!!!!

yoga@asc.co.id wrote:
It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to hate them
that much.
U should give them break for some times.
Deadly love MU!!


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11/08/2005 03:18 PM
Please respond to
Manchester_United_2004

i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this year.
most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by the way
the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the shop and
you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like maniacs in
the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic running
around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight with them
but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to file:
pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!

cheers

sam

"WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
team but we still lost the match!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> result was in our favour
> but
> i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> and everybody knows that
>
> but still it was a fabulous win for us
>
> well done!!
>
>
> harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One". Everything
> that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in abundance
at
> Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
yesterday
> making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win yesterday
> and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
winnning
> all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not help
> but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only 3
> clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van der
> sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
time.We
> had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
put
> one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
on
> the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
passion
> for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
was.He
> surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
is
> United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
say
> to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
a
> disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
at
> Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
win
> over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
taken
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: 11 Nov 2005 09:15:26 -0000
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Subject: Poll results for Manchester_United_2004

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:16:46 -0000
From: "wisdomking456" <wisdomking456@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: poll

i visit board every day to read the post

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:33:40 -0000
From: "Ash" <ashleymillin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Great performance

Damn right you are. I lived in London for 3 years and it was
sickening the way Arsenal thought they are a great club on a level
with United. We've achieved more with even more players. Arsenal
only came to prominence with Viera and Henry but this will all
change soon as one half is gone. Last years cup final is best
forgotten. We wanted it more, we deserved it more and we gave more
than them. If it's any consolation, each time we play them if we put
up that kind of performance......kerching!!jackpot. It was just not
our day.
As for "special one", we made him. When Porto came to Old Trafford
and got a draw in the champions league he suddenly became the talk
of the town and everyone overlooked the fact he is just an
interpreter. But he's here now and we have to live with him. We
won't slip up like last season. We'll frustrate them all the way and
when it comes time for him to choose between the league and Europe
around Feb/March we'll pounce. We always have kicked in around that
time so until then....... be united, be strong because this is
Manchester United and we will not be silenced and roll over like the
Gunners and liverpool did. This time we fight them!

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Samantha Bond
<football_crazy_kiwi_chick@y...> wrote:
>
> i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want
to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a
break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise
you'll make me very angry!!!!
>
> yoga@a... wrote:
> It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to
hate them
> that much.
> U should give them break for some times.
> Deadly love MU!!
>
>
>
>

> Samantha
Bond

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> 11/08/2005 03:18
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> Please respond
to

>
Manchester_United_2004

>

>

>
>
>
>
> i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this
year.
> most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by
the way
> the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the
shop and
> you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like
maniacs in
> the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic
running
> around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight
with them
> but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to
file:
> pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!
>
> cheers
>
> sam
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
> FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
> team but we still lost the match!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > result was in our favour
> > but
> > i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> > and everybody knows that
> >
> > but still it was a fabulous win for us
> >
> > well done!!
> >
> >
> > harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> > Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> > Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> > tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One".
Everything
> > that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in
abundance
> at
> > Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
> yesterday
> > making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win
yesterday
> > and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
> winnning
> > all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> > match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not
help
> > but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only
3
> > clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van
der
> > sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> > Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
> time.We
> > had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
> put
> > one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
> on
> > the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
> passion
> > for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> > match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
> was.He
> > surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
> is
> > United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
> say
> > to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
> a
> > disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
> at
> > Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
> win
> > over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
> taken
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:10:44 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: i think sir alex outwitted jose

were robben and crespo available for that match? were they even on
the bench? i wouldn't consider it outwitting ... the red devils
just outplayed the rent boys on the pitch!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> the team selection from JOSE was a blunder.
>
> not playing robben and crespo.
>
> robben playing with duff was simply electrifying in the previous
season
>
> i think SIR ALEX outwittted JOSE
>
> we played 4 in the middle which really helped us to tackle their
big 3 in the middle
>
> they would have outplayed us if we were 3 in the middle
>
>
>
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> PRESTON .. i think he was right about our wingers giving the rent
> boys a hard time and our central midfield outmuscling theirs. i
> think that's one reason jose substituted essien. wonder if we had
> the same result is robben was playing that day.
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Preston Adams
> <preston_adams101@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Fellers, check out this article I read on soccernet.com,
absolutely
> scalding the blue jerks...
> >
> >
> > 'Special One' needs new plan?
> >
> >
> > By Norman Hubbard
> >
> >
> > How do you beat Chelsea? Follow these three simple steps. Get
your
> loose cannon of a captain to condemn most of his team-mates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Then loft a deep cross to a seemingly nondescript midfielder,
one
> of those criticised and a player of no known aerial ability, and
> watch him head in from an improbable angle.
> >
> > Finally, watch your dilettante defender star in a sterling
> rearguard action.
> >
> > Simple, really. You wonder why no one else thought of it first.
> Manchester United's 1-0 victory at Old Trafford ended Chelsea's
> unbeaten run in the Premiership, stretching back 13 months to
their
> visit to Manchester City. It says much about Manchester United
that
> they have been reduced to the role of giant killers, albeit giants
> with aspirations of immortality; first Arsenal - then 49 not out -
> and now a second seemingly invincible side from the capital.
> >
> > Chelsea, meanwhile, have now suffered back-to-back defeats and
only
> won one of their last five games. It is hardly a crisis but chinks
in
> Jose Mourinho's formidable and expensively-acquired armour are
> starting to appear.
> >
> > A defence recently regarded as unbreachable has now conceded in
> five successive games. On Sunday, Chelsea were outflanked, beaten
by
> a goal created by the left winger (Cristiano Ronaldo) and scored
by
> his counterpart on the right flank (Darren Fletcher). As
Manchester
> United showed, quick passing to either wing can leave Chelsea's
full
> backs isolated until their wingers drop back or the central
> midfielders come across to provide cover.
> >
> > United showed, too, that Claude Makelele can be negated.
Attacking
> on the flanks bypasses his sphere of influence while, when Chelsea
> regained possession, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy left
John
> Terry and William Gallas unattended to focus on the Frenchman. Man-
> marking brings to mind the shackling of a flamboyant talent,
> something Makelele patently is not.
> >
> > But, of all Claudio Ranieri's eclectic metaphors, the most
fitting
> was his description of Makelele as Chelsea's battery. Stopping him
> hinders his team-mates as much as the midfielder himself; he is
the
> man they rely on for the failsafe pass, the back-up ball if more
> ambitious alternatives are not available.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Stopping Makelele hinders his team-mates as much as the
midfielder
> himself "
> >
> > Stop Makelele and you stop Chelsea? Not quite, but it makes for
> more of disjointed game when the champions are deprived of their
> usual fluency. But a midfield trio noted for their energy - and
all
> seemingly immune from rotation - appeared a little off the pace;
> consider the number of times Manchester United had time to shoot
from
> 20 or 30 yards.
> >
> > Michael Essien was the first man substituted, and it may have
> revealed the comparative weakness in the Chelsea squad. Mourinho's
> vision of two players for each position is well known; in
midfield,
> however, the alternatives are perpetual fringe man Geremi,
converted
> striker Eidur Gudjohnsen and the untried Lassana Diarra.
> >
> > James Beattie's theory, voiced after Everton held Chelsea at
> Goodison Park, was that Mourinho's men struggled against a more
> physical approach. Though Alan Smith took no prisoners with his
> tackling at Old Trafford, adversity, and not the sight of Duncan
> Ferguson's elbows, appears the rattle Chelsea.
> >
> > Didier Drogba, their most improved player, is invariably the
first
> to react.
> >
> > Perhaps his real complaint is a lack of service. It is a telling
> statistic that Chelsea's last two setbacks in both the Premiership
> and the Champions League have come by the same scoreline, 1-0. One
> explanation is that few sides score twice against Chelsea anyway,
but
> it is also indicative of the importance of scoring the first goal.
> Admittedly, Bolton did so and were still swept aside imperiously.
> >
> > For Real Betis and Manchester United, however, one goal
sufficed.
> It is a reminder that Mourinho has constructed his side on
defensive
> foundations, that whereas the initial impulse for Arsenal or
> Barcelona is to attack, for Chelsea it is not to concede.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And an indication that the Portuguese's quartet of wingers are
> below their sparkling best. Damien Duff has only just returned to
> fitness, Shaun Wright-Phillips has only shown glimpses of his
> scintillating best and Arjen Robben scarcely resembles the
peerless
> match-winner of 12 months ago.
> >
> > In itself, it is an sign of Chelsea's excellence that they can
> prosper without contributions from outstanding individuals. They
may
> have to do so again; Hernan Crespo has provided the first hint of
> mutiny since Ricardo Carvalho's summer outburst (has he taken that
IQ
> test yet?).
> >
> > And it gives Mourinho plenty of food for thought over the
> international break. Having mischievously declared that he thought
> his job would be in danger after three successive defeats, he must
> prepare for an improving Newcastle team aiming for the hat-trick.
> After blaming the rest of the Premiership for not challenging
> Chelsea. Manchester United have thrown down the gauntlet.
Suggesting
> a national holiday when Chelsea lose has, at the least, earned him
> the admiration of the work-shy.
> >
> > With the cushion of a six-point lead in the Premiership, he can
> turn his attention to easing the burden on the admirable Frank
> Lampard for goals, making either Crespo or Gudjohnsen a plausible
> alternative to Drogba again, revitalising the out-of-sorts wingers
> and tightening up England's most feared defence.
> >
> > And, perhaps, to ensure that a scoreline featuring the
> words 'Chelsea nil' occurs less often than in the last week. Time
to
> tweak the master plan, Jose?

________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:23:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: Reply to WTC

i meant his stratergies were different from what jose would have thought

jose said before the kick-off that they are matching with us by playing 3 in the middle.

but , that wasn't the case as he played 4 in the middle as that turned out to be a better option.

FOOTBALL IS ALSO ABOUT STRATEGIES AND MIND GAMES.


crespo and robben were not on the bench

they would have been vital for the blues as they are quality players
robben playing with duff was electric last season and crespo is a world class player

AND DENYING THIS FACT WILL BE FOOLISH

"WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
were robben and crespo available for that match? were they even on
the bench? i wouldn't consider it outwitting ... the red devils
just outplayed the rent boys on the pitch!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> the team selection from JOSE was a blunder.
>
> not playing robben and crespo.
>
> robben playing with duff was simply electrifying in the previous
season
>
> i think SIR ALEX outwittted JOSE
>
> we played 4 in the middle which really helped us to tackle their
big 3 in the middle
>
> they would have outplayed us if we were 3 in the middle
>
>
>
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> PRESTON .. i think he was right about our wingers giving the rent
> boys a hard time and our central midfield outmuscling theirs. i
> think that's one reason jose substituted essien. wonder if we had
> the same result is robben was playing that day.
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Preston Adams
> <preston_adams101@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Fellers, check out this article I read on soccernet.com,
absolutely
> scalding the blue jerks...
> >
> >
> > 'Special One' needs new plan?
> >
> >
> > By Norman Hubbard
> >
> >
> > How do you beat Chelsea? Follow these three simple steps. Get
your
> loose cannon of a captain to condemn most of his team-mates.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Then loft a deep cross to a seemingly nondescript midfielder,
one
> of those criticised and a player of no known aerial ability, and
> watch him head in from an improbable angle.
> >
> > Finally, watch your dilettante defender star in a sterling
> rearguard action.
> >
> > Simple, really. You wonder why no one else thought of it first.
> Manchester United's 1-0 victory at Old Trafford ended Chelsea's
> unbeaten run in the Premiership, stretching back 13 months to
their
> visit to Manchester City. It says much about Manchester United
that
> they have been reduced to the role of giant killers, albeit giants
> with aspirations of immortality; first Arsenal - then 49 not out -
> and now a second seemingly invincible side from the capital.
> >
> > Chelsea, meanwhile, have now suffered back-to-back defeats and
only
> won one of their last five games. It is hardly a crisis but chinks
in
> Jose Mourinho's formidable and expensively-acquired armour are
> starting to appear.
> >
> > A defence recently regarded as unbreachable has now conceded in
> five successive games. On Sunday, Chelsea were outflanked, beaten
by
> a goal created by the left winger (Cristiano Ronaldo) and scored
by
> his counterpart on the right flank (Darren Fletcher). As
Manchester
> United showed, quick passing to either wing can leave Chelsea's
full
> backs isolated until their wingers drop back or the central
> midfielders come across to provide cover.
> >
> > United showed, too, that Claude Makelele can be negated.
Attacking
> on the flanks bypasses his sphere of influence while, when Chelsea
> regained possession, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy left
John
> Terry and William Gallas unattended to focus on the Frenchman. Man-
> marking brings to mind the shackling of a flamboyant talent,
> something Makelele patently is not.
> >
> > But, of all Claudio Ranieri's eclectic metaphors, the most
fitting
> was his description of Makelele as Chelsea's battery. Stopping him
> hinders his team-mates as much as the midfielder himself; he is
the
> man they rely on for the failsafe pass, the back-up ball if more
> ambitious alternatives are not available.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Stopping Makelele hinders his team-mates as much as the
midfielder
> himself "
> >
> > Stop Makelele and you stop Chelsea? Not quite, but it makes for
> more of disjointed game when the champions are deprived of their
> usual fluency. But a midfield trio noted for their energy - and
all
> seemingly immune from rotation - appeared a little off the pace;
> consider the number of times Manchester United had time to shoot
from
> 20 or 30 yards.
> >
> > Michael Essien was the first man substituted, and it may have
> revealed the comparative weakness in the Chelsea squad. Mourinho's
> vision of two players for each position is well known; in
midfield,
> however, the alternatives are perpetual fringe man Geremi,
converted
> striker Eidur Gudjohnsen and the untried Lassana Diarra.
> >
> > James Beattie's theory, voiced after Everton held Chelsea at
> Goodison Park, was that Mourinho's men struggled against a more
> physical approach. Though Alan Smith took no prisoners with his
> tackling at Old Trafford, adversity, and not the sight of Duncan
> Ferguson's elbows, appears the rattle Chelsea.
> >
> > Didier Drogba, their most improved player, is invariably the
first
> to react.
> >
> > Perhaps his real complaint is a lack of service. It is a telling
> statistic that Chelsea's last two setbacks in both the Premiership
> and the Champions League have come by the same scoreline, 1-0. One
> explanation is that few sides score twice against Chelsea anyway,
but
> it is also indicative of the importance of scoring the first goal.
> Admittedly, Bolton did so and were still swept aside imperiously.
> >
> > For Real Betis and Manchester United, however, one goal
sufficed.
> It is a reminder that Mourinho has constructed his side on
defensive
> foundations, that whereas the initial impulse for Arsenal or
> Barcelona is to attack, for Chelsea it is not to concede.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And an indication that the Portuguese's quartet of wingers are
> below their sparkling best. Damien Duff has only just returned to
> fitness, Shaun Wright-Phillips has only shown glimpses of his
> scintillating best and Arjen Robben scarcely resembles the
peerless
> match-winner of 12 months ago.
> >
> > In itself, it is an sign of Chelsea's excellence that they can
> prosper without contributions from outstanding individuals. They
may
> have to do so again; Hernan Crespo has provided the first hint of
> mutiny since Ricardo Carvalho's summer outburst (has he taken that
IQ
> test yet?).
> >
> > And it gives Mourinho plenty of food for thought over the
> international break. Having mischievously declared that he thought
> his job would be in danger after three successive defeats, he must
> prepare for an improving Newcastle team aiming for the hat-trick.
> After blaming the rest of the Premiership for not challenging
> Chelsea. Manchester United have thrown down the gauntlet.
Suggesting
> a national holiday when Chelsea lose has, at the least, earned him
> the admiration of the work-shy.
> >
> > With the cushion of a six-point lead in the Premiership, he can
> turn his attention to easing the burden on the admirable Frank
> Lampard for goals, making either Crespo or Gudjohnsen a plausible
> alternative to Drogba again, revitalising the out-of-sorts wingers
> and tightening up England's most feared defence.
> >
> > And, perhaps, to ensure that a scoreline featuring the
> words 'Chelsea nil' occurs less often than in the last week. Time
to
> tweak the master plan, Jose?

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