Wednesday, May 18, 2005

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

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1. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in>
2. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
3. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
4. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
5. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
6. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
7. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
8. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>
9. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
10. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>
11. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg>
12. RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:50:06 +0100 (BST)
From: vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

hey guys.......

i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........

till then.........

vichar hari

P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a cliche........

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
"TILL I LIVE"???
wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
Normally its "TILL I DIE"
but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn argue with this guy.
- Tejas

vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my spirit .................

hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL I LIVE.

till then...........

vichar hari

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Oh hey, hi Donovan,
Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use the address that I had posted it seems :)
Anyways, coming to this vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok?
- PA

Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !

U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !

---------------------------------

From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

cha cha ............

a real waste of time typing this note..............

till then ................

vichar hari

mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:

STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice
to our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past
2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except
for the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
.
Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.
The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest
club in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
sought.
Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing
to abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on
the day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the
RED ARMY.
These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
countries that have supported Manchester United via television that
we count as friends. We already have the support of our following
from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
assisted him in acquiring our club.
Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and
to the defeat of the Glazer network.
This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war
to the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are
now legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any
other potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or
profiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave
themselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids
on people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
and their employees and families. This will also include any media
entering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED
OR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has
a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY
as a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
possible.
These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
United.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United
was not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that
is to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think
that this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
show this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we
will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for
the RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home
of Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we
were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or
of news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and
a roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen
of the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
War with Glazer United
The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and
his family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
ahead.

Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:38:21 +0530 (IST)
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan to
win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idiotic
ideas..

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him go
easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......
>
> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>
> till then.........
>
> vichar hari
>
> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
> cliche........
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "TILL I LIVE"???
> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>
> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
> spirit .................
>
> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL
> I LIVE.
>
> till then...........
>
> vichar hari
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar
> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting
> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know
> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy
> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>
> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The
> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>
>
>
> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
>
>
>
> cha cha ............
>
>
>
>
>
> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>
>
>
>
>
> till then ................
>
>
>
>
>
> vichar hari
>
>
>
>
> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>
> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
> our enemies, justice will be done.
>
> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.
> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In
> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a
> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United
> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
> .
> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in
> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap
> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.
> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our
> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
> ARMY.
> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>
> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to
> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is
> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily
> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to
> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>
> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
> assisted him in acquiring our club.
> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>
> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and
> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>
> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
> the defeat of the Glazer network.
> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are
> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
> entering Old Trafford.
>
> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>
> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a
> hostile.
>
> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
> possible.
> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
> United.
>
> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this
> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>
> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the
> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is
> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
> show this by January 2006.
>
> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live
> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears
> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a
> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of
> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED
> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>
> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to
> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old
> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news
> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring
> voice gone forever.
>
> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
> War with Glazer United
> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at
> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>
> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted
> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.
>
> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the
> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:05:57 +0200
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

Short forms = irritation . . . .

If you have something worth typing type it properly

_____

From: simer narulla [mailto:re_mis@yahoo.com.sg]
Sent: 18 May 2005 02:48 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

heard of short forms?

Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:

Have you tried typing reply's in English ?

Spell checker is a useful tool !

:-)

_____

From: simer narulla [mailto:re_mis@yahoo.com.sg]
Sent: 18 May 2005 02:22 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

i agree with most of it , but sm parts just got too far..

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Do you know simer who these ppl are? Have you ever been to any derby game?

I would say if you dont have answers to these questions, keep your trap
shut, coz you are crossing the proverbial line when you say, "i want to slap
this fella...", just be a little careful the next time you post such
shitload of crap.

simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

some ppl are just too fucking childish.i wish i could slap the fella who
wrote this, cut the crap, fuckface.

mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:

STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice
to our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past
2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except
for the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
.
Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.
The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest
club in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
sought.
Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing
to abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on
the day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the
RED ARMY.
These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
countries that have supported Manchester United via television that
we count as friends. We already have the support of our following
from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
assisted him in acquiring our club.
Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and
to the defeat of the Glazer network.
This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war
to the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are
now legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any
other potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or
profiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave
themselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids
on people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
and their employees and families. This will also include any media
entering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED
OR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has
a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY
as a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
possible.
These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
United.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United
was not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that
is to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think
that this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
show this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we
will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for
the RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home
of Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we
were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or
of news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and
a roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen
of the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
War with Glazer United
The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and
his family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
ahead.

Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:08:10 +0200
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

Wake the fuck up please !

We have no money . . . . no money for transfers . . no money for new
signings

No money !!! we are 500 million pounds in debt

Pull your head out of your ass and look at the facts . . . there is no
future with Glazer

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From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 18 May 2005 02:50 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

hey guys.......

i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the time
has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
.......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........

till then.........

vichar hari

P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
cliche........

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

"TILL I LIVE"???

wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)

Normally its "TILL I DIE"

but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn argue
with this guy.

- Tejas

vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my spirit
.................

hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL I
LIVE.

till then...........

vichar hari

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Oh hey, hi Donovan,

Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use the
address that I had posted it seems :)

Anyways, coming to this vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more
circumspect before posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another
lurker, but you know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be
like giving the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok?

- PA

Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:

The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !

U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !

_____

From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

cha cha ............

a real waste of time typing this note..............

till then ................

vichar hari

mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:

STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice
to our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past
2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except
for the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
.
Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.
The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest
club in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
sought.
Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing
to abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on
the day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the
RED ARMY.
These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
countries that have supported Manchester United via television that
we count as friends. We already have the support of our following
from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
assisted him in acquiring our club.
Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and
to the defeat of the Glazer network.
This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war
to the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are
now legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any
other potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or
profiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave
themselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids
on people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
and their employees and families. This will also include any media
entering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED
OR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has
a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY
as a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
possible.
These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
United.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United
was not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that
is to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think
that this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
show this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we
will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for
the RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home
of Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we
were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or
of news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and
a roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen
of the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
War with Glazer United
The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and
his family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
ahead.

Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:09:16 +0200
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !

-----Original Message-----
From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan to
win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idiotic
ideas..

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him go
easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......
>
> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>
> till then.........
>
> vichar hari
>
> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
> cliche........
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "TILL I LIVE"???
> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>
> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
> spirit .................
>
> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL
> I LIVE.
>
> till then...........
>
> vichar hari
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar
> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting
> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know
> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy
> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>
> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The
> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>
>
>
> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
>
>
>
> cha cha ............
>
>
>
>
>
> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>
>
>
>
>
> till then ................
>
>
>
>
>
> vichar hari
>
>
>
>
> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>
> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
> our enemies, justice will be done.
>
> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.
> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In
> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a
> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United
> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
> .
> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in
> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap
> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.
> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our
> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
> ARMY.
> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>
> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to
> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is
> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily
> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to
> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>
> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
> assisted him in acquiring our club.
> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>
> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and
> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>
> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
> the defeat of the Glazer network.
> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are
> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
> entering Old Trafford.
>
> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>
> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a
> hostile.
>
> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
> possible.
> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
> United.
>
> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this
> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>
> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the
> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is
> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
> show this by January 2006.
>
> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live
> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears
> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a
> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of
> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED
> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>
> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to
> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old
> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news
> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring
> voice gone forever.
>
> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
> War with Glazer United
> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at
> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>
> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted
> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.
>
> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the
> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:56:50 +0530 (IST)
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with Sir
Alex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkam
is reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam will
be his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface think
apart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount for
beckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo in
united..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figo
being a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players may
also land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill
>> them
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:22:36 +0200
From: Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

No no
No
No
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

No
No
Nooooooooooooooooooooo

No

-----Original Message-----
From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
Sent: 18 May 2005 03:27 PM
To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY
STATEMENT

yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with Sir
Alex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkam
is reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam will
be his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface think
apart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount for
beckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo in
united..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figo
being a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players may
also land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill
>> them
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.
>>
>>
>>
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>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos
>>
>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill
>> them
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:42:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

tch tch, saikat, not you too,
I am an American and I love my "football", now before you go on an imaginative hike of bringing 50 cent to Man Utd or Jackie Chan to hit a volley with his trademark flying kick, I would like to point out some suitable American signings that Glazer could and would bring to United to attract US ppl.
1. Freddy Adu, position: Attacking Midfielder, plays for DC United, tipped to be the next Pele, age 15, already tipped for an International call.
2. Demarcus Beasley, position: Winger,age 21, plays for PSV, a major reason for their success this season both at home and in the Champion's League.
Now, I dont know much abt Asian superstars, I guess you may know better about who plays well in say China or South Korea, Ji Sung Park looked the most promising of those I have seen.
And have you guys forgotten of the players that we already have??
3. Jonathon Spector, born in Chicago.
4. Giuseppe Rossi, an Italian but do you guys know, he has an American passport, and is thus a dual citizen.
5. Tim Howard!! Well he just signed a new deal rite?
Now how many Americans have I named so far?? So, all I want to say is, Glazer is a twat, agreed, but he is gonna keep Fergie, Keane, Giggs, Howard, and all the boardroom staff, coz he knows he himself cant do anything, plus Donovan, Fergie is gonna receive a £20Mn tranfer kitty this season in addition to any money he gets from departures. So atleast as far as on-field performances are concerned there is a ray of hope that we may improve, but I guess only time can be the judge.
- Preston Adams

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:
n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan to
win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idiotic
ideas..

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him go
easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......
>
> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>
> till then.........
>
> vichar hari
>
> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
> cliche........
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "TILL I LIVE"???
> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>
> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
> spirit .................
>
> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL
> I LIVE.
>
> till then...........
>
> vichar hari
>
> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar
> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting
> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know
> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy
> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>
> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The
> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>
>
>
> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
>
>
>
> cha cha ............
>
>
>
>
>
> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>
>
>
>
>
> till then ................
>
>
>
>
>
> vichar hari
>
>
>
>
> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>
> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
> our enemies, justice will be done.
>
> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.
> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful
> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In
> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a
> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United
> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
> .
> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in
> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap
> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.
> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer
> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.
> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and
> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our
> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
> ARMY.
> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>
> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to
> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is
> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily
> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to
> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>
> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
> assisted him in acquiring our club.
> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It
> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>
> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right
> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the
> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for
> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and
> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,
> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can
> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>
> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
> the defeat of the Glazer network.
> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have
> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move
> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,
> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension
> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are
> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
> entering Old Trafford.
>
> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>
> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river
> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a
> hostile.
>
> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect
> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the
> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As
> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as
> possible.
> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
> United.
>
> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this
> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>
> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the
> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is
> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.
> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated
> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall
> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will
> show this by January 2006.
>
> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live
> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears
> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a
> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of
> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club
> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED
> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>
> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to
> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old
> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.
> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to
> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news
> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring
> voice gone forever.
>
> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
> War with Glazer United
> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at
> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>
> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted
> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.
>
> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the
> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:28:44 +0530 (IST)
From: <saikatbose06@imi.edu>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

preston my post was that of sarchasm..i never doubt quality players..n
never said the other places dont produce quality players...but the point
is glazer blindfolded with the insane passion for money might overlook
real talent n go for brand name purchase..old players or players who might
be big names but not fit for united game plan...

also he may not do much of chopping n changing this season just to try n
ride over fans protest...he may try to act as messiah..n try to portray
that he really loves the current players n kind ....but the thing is for
how long...he masscared a perfectly good buccaneers team after they won
the championship...u see...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> tch tch, saikat, not you too,
> I am an American and I love my "football", now before you go on an
> imaginative hike of bringing 50 cent to Man Utd or Jackie Chan to hit a
> volley with his trademark flying kick, I would like to point out some
> suitable American signings that Glazer could and would bring to United
> to attract US ppl. 1. Freddy Adu, position: Attacking Midfielder, plays
> for DC United, tipped to be the next Pele, age 15, already tipped for an
> International call. 2. Demarcus Beasley, position: Winger,age 21, plays
> for PSV, a major reason for their success this season both at home and
> in the Champion's League. Now, I dont know much abt Asian superstars, I
> guess you may know better about who plays well in say China or South
> Korea, Ji Sung Park looked the most promising of those I have seen. And
> have you guys forgotten of the players that we already have??
> 3. Jonathon Spector, born in Chicago.
> 4. Giuseppe Rossi, an Italian but do you guys know, he has an American
> passport, and is thus a dual citizen. 5. Tim Howard!! Well he just
> signed a new deal rite?
> Now how many Americans have I named so far?? So, all I want to say is,
> Glazer is a twat, agreed, but he is gonna keep Fergie, Keane, Giggs,
> Howard, and all the boardroom staff, coz he knows he himself cant do
> anything, plus Donovan, Fergie is gonna receive a £20Mn tranfer kitty
> this season in addition to any money he gets from departures. So atleast
> as far as on-field performances are concerned there is a ray of hope
> that we may improve, but I guess only time can be the judge. - Preston
> Adams
>
> saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:00:55 +0100 (BST)
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)
- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:
yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with Sir
Alex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkam
is reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam will
be his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface think
apart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount for
beckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo in
united..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figo
being a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players may
also land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill
>> them
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:17:56 +0800 (CST)
From: simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

really gd point.but boy would i love to see beckham in the red of united again.

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)
- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:
yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with Sir
Alex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkam
is reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam will
be his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface think
apart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount for
beckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo in
united..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figo
being a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players may
also land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:04:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED ARMY STATEMENT

Are you stupid or something?
Beckham=Useless Wanker=United castoff=Madrid's misery man
Ever since Madrid bought Liar 23, they havent won a single silverware.
Boy, simer its good that this is an unmoderated group, if you were on some other moderated one, I am sure you would have got a Red card for your comments here :)
- Preston

simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
really gd point.but boy would i love to see beckham in the red of united again.

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)
- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:
yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with Sir
Alex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkam
is reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam will
be his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface think
apart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount for
beckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo in
united..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figo
being a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players may
also land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..
curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]
> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM
> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
> ARMY STATEMENT
>
> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a
> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan
> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any
> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows
> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such
> idiotic ideas..
>
> ciao..
> curtz.. born devil 'o'
>
> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole
> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him
> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....
>
>
>> hey guys.......
>>
>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the
>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins
>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........
>>
>> till then.........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a
>> cliche........
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> "TILL I LIVE"???
>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)
>> Normally its "TILL I DIE"
>> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn
>> argue with this guy. - Tejas
>>
>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my
>> spirit .................
>>
>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED
>> TILL I LIVE.
>>
>> till then...........
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,
>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was
>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use
>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this
>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before
>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you
>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving
>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA
>>
>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:
>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape
>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !
>>
>>
>>
>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]
>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM
>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED
>> ARMY STATEMENT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> cha cha ............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a real waste of time typing this note..............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> till then ................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> vichar hari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY
>>
>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to
>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his
>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be
>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to
>> our enemies, justice will be done.
>>
>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against
>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2
>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for
>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the
>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United
>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,
>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy
>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been
>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.
>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians
>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was
>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,
>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester
>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club
>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United
>> .
>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The
>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club
>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking
>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to
>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is
>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the
>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was
>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself
>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close
>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away
>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to
>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the
>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until
>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your
>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,
>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their
>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the
>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED
>> ARMY.
>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The
>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our
>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.
>>
>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United
>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support
>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in
>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we
>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following
>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to
>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who
>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family
>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent
>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are
>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then
>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and
>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to
>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your
>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are
>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no
>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.
>>
>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American
>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support
>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical
>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has
>> assisted him in acquiring our club.
>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will
>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is
>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.
>>
>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here
>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English
>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for
>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed
>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice
>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you
>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay
>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you
>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to
>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to
>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever
>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.
>>
>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will
>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and
>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial
>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to
>> the defeat of the Glazer network.
>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken
>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift
>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to
>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to
>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major
>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main
>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from
>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,
>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,
>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,
>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now
>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other
>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting
>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves
>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people
>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These
>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people
>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include
>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers
>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media
>> entering Old Trafford.
>>
>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR
>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.
>>
>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of
>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert
>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of
>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford
>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will
>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that
>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every
>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a
>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the
>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that
>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as
>> a hostile.
>>
>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from
>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our
>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in
>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.
>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as
>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.
>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a
>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,
>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester
>> United.
>>
>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole
>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's
>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero
>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was
>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to
>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that
>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so
>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a
>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.
>>
>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,
>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY
>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally
>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With
>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with
>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel
>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show
>> this by January 2006.
>>
>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you
>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have
>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face
>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the
>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so
>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a
>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by
>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or
>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the
>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and
>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are
>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or
>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will
>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the
>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.
>>
>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return
>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of
>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even
>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each
>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom
>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were
>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of
>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a
>> roaring voice gone forever.
>>
>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have
>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of
>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your
>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our
>> War with Glazer United
>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is
>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been
>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
>>
>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his
>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has
>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey
>> ahead.
>>
>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in
>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.
>>
>>
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