Tuesday, November 15, 2005

[Manchester_United_2004] Digest Number 919

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Great performance
From: Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk>
2. England Vs Argentina
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
3. UTD vs CHELSEA
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
4. FIFA 06
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
5. FIFA 06
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
6. Re: FIFA 06
From: natalia ina <natalia_ina17@yahoo.com>
7. worked well
From: "wisdomking456" <wisdomking456@hotmail.co.uk>
8. Re: Reply to WTC
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
9. Re: worked well
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
10. Brucie on KEANO!
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
11. On Life, Post The American Leprechaun
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
12. Franco's Fascist Team, Richer Than Us?
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
13. More From Franco's Fascist Team
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
14. Didier Zokora
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
15. TV Deal Talk
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
16. Mini-Hun For United?
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
17. United Flags Flying High
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
18. Fergie's Trademark Woes
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
19. Freddie Adu Fancies Premiership
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
20. Picture of old trafford
From: "H@lby" <halbykvarghese@gmail.com>
21. Re: Re: Reply to WTC
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:56:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Great performance

the arses are the worst of them all!!!!! can't stand those arrogant arses

Ash <ashleymillin@yahoo.com> wrote:Damn right you are. I lived in London for 3 years and it was
sickening the way Arsenal thought they are a great club on a level
with United. We've achieved more with even more players. Arsenal
only came to prominence with Viera and Henry but this will all
change soon as one half is gone. Last years cup final is best
forgotten. We wanted it more, we deserved it more and we gave more
than them. If it's any consolation, each time we play them if we put
up that kind of performance......kerching!!jackpot. It was just not
our day.
As for "special one", we made him. When Porto came to Old Trafford
and got a draw in the champions league he suddenly became the talk
of the town and everyone overlooked the fact he is just an
interpreter. But he's here now and we have to live with him. We
won't slip up like last season. We'll frustrate them all the way and
when it comes time for him to choose between the league and Europe
around Feb/March we'll pounce. We always have kicked in around that
time so until then....... be united, be strong because this is
Manchester United and we will not be silenced and roll over like the
Gunners and liverpool did. This time we fight them!

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Samantha Bond
<football_crazy_kiwi_chick@y...> wrote:
>
> i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want
to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a
break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise
you'll make me very angry!!!!
>
> yoga@a... wrote:
> It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to
hate them
> that much.
> U should give them break for some times.
> Deadly love MU!!
>
>
>
>

> Samantha
Bond

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>

>
>
>
>
> i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this
year.
> most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by
the way
> the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the
shop and
> you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like
maniacs in
> the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic
running
> around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight
with them
> but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to
file:
> pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!
>
> cheers
>
> sam
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
> FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
> team but we still lost the match!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > result was in our favour
> > but
> > i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> > and everybody knows that
> >
> > but still it was a fabulous win for us
> >
> > well done!!
> >
> >
> > harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> > Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> > Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> > tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One".
Everything
> > that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in
abundance
> at
> > Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
> yesterday
> > making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win
yesterday
> > and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
> winnning
> > all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> > match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not
help
> > but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only
3
> > clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van
der
> > sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> > Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
> time.We
> > had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
> put
> > one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
> on
> > the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
> passion
> > for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> > match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
> was.He
> > surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
> is
> > United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
> say
> > to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
> a
> > disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
> at
> > Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
> win
> > over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
> taken
> > it.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:20:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: England Vs Argentina

what a great match!!!!!!!!!!!!
beckham was brilliant
owen was at his cheeky best
well done ROONEY

"H@lby" <halbykvarghese@gmail.com> wrote:

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:22:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: UTD vs CHELSEA

CAN YOU GUYS,
SEND ME SOME MORE PICTURES OF UTD vs CHELSEA?

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: FIFA 06

have u guys played fifa 06?

Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
the arses are the worst of them all!!!!! can't stand those arrogant arses

Ash <ashleymillin@yahoo.com> wrote: Damn right you are. I lived in London for 3 years and it was
sickening the way Arsenal thought they are a great club on a level
with United. We've achieved more with even more players. Arsenal
only came to prominence with Viera and Henry but this will all
change soon as one half is gone. Last years cup final is best
forgotten. We wanted it more, we deserved it more and we gave more
than them. If it's any consolation, each time we play them if we put
up that kind of performance......kerching!!jackpot. It was just not
our day.
As for "special one", we made him. When Porto came to Old Trafford
and got a draw in the champions league he suddenly became the talk
of the town and everyone overlooked the fact he is just an
interpreter. But he's here now and we have to live with him. We
won't slip up like last season. We'll frustrate them all the way and
when it comes time for him to choose between the league and Europe
around Feb/March we'll pounce. We always have kicked in around that
time so until then....... be united, be strong because this is
Manchester United and we will not be silenced and roll over like the
Gunners and liverpool did. This time we fight them!

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Samantha Bond
<football_crazy_kiwi_chick@y...> wrote:
>
> i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want
to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a
break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise
you'll make me very angry!!!!
>
> yoga@a... wrote:
> It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to
hate them
> that much.
> U should give them break for some times.
> Deadly love MU!!
>
>
>
>

> Samantha
Bond

> <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@ya To:
Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com
> hoo.co.uk>
cc:
> Sent by:
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> Manchester_United_2004@yahoog Great
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> 11/08/2005 03:18
PM

> Please respond
to

>
Manchester_United_2004

>

>

>
>
>
>
> i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this
year.
> most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by
the way
> the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the
shop and
> you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like
maniacs in
> the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic
running
> around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight
with them
> but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to
file:
> pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!
>
> cheers
>
> sam
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
> FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
> team but we still lost the match!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > result was in our favour
> > but
> > i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> > and everybody knows that
> >
> > but still it was a fabulous win for us
> >
> > well done!!
> >
> >
> > harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> > Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> > Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> > tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One".
Everything
> > that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in
abundance
> at
> > Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
> yesterday
> > making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win
yesterday
> > and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
> winnning
> > all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> > match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not
help
> > but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only
3
> > clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van
der
> > sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> > Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
> time.We
> > had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
> put
> > one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
> on
> > the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
> passion
> > for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> > match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
> was.He
> > surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
> is
> > United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
> say
> > to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
> a
> > disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
> at
> > Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
> win
> > over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
> taken
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:23:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: FIFA 06

have u guys played fifa 06

Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:the arses are the worst of them all!!!!! can't stand those arrogant arses

Ash <ashleymillin@yahoo.com> wrote: Damn right you are. I lived in London for 3 years and it was
sickening the way Arsenal thought they are a great club on a level
with United. We've achieved more with even more players. Arsenal
only came to prominence with Viera and Henry but this will all
change soon as one half is gone. Last years cup final is best
forgotten. We wanted it more, we deserved it more and we gave more
than them. If it's any consolation, each time we play them if we put
up that kind of performance......kerching!!jackpot. It was just not
our day.
As for "special one", we made him. When Porto came to Old Trafford
and got a draw in the champions league he suddenly became the talk
of the town and everyone overlooked the fact he is just an
interpreter. But he's here now and we have to live with him. We
won't slip up like last season. We'll frustrate them all the way and
when it comes time for him to choose between the league and Europe
around Feb/March we'll pounce. We always have kicked in around that
time so until then....... be united, be strong because this is
Manchester United and we will not be silenced and roll over like the
Gunners and liverpool did. This time we fight them!

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Samantha Bond
<football_crazy_kiwi_chick@y...> wrote:
>
> i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want
to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a
break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise
you'll make me very angry!!!!
>
> yoga@a... wrote:
> It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to
hate them
> that much.
> U should give them break for some times.
> Deadly love MU!!
>
>
>
>

> Samantha
Bond

> <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@ya To:
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> hoo.co.uk>
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> Sent by:
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> Manchester_United_2004@yahoog Great
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> 11/08/2005 03:18
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> Please respond
to

>
Manchester_United_2004

>

>

>
>
>
>
> i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this
year.
> most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by
the way
> the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the
shop and
> you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like
maniacs in
> the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic
running
> around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight
with them
> but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to
file:
> pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!
>
> cheers
>
> sam
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
> FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
> team but we still lost the match!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > result was in our favour
> > but
> > i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> > and everybody knows that
> >
> > but still it was a fabulous win for us
> >
> > well done!!
> >
> >
> > harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> > Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> > Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> > tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One".
Everything
> > that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in
abundance
> at
> > Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
> yesterday
> > making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win
yesterday
> > and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
> winnning
> > all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> > match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not
help
> > but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only
3
> > clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van
der
> > sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> > Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
> time.We
> > had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
> put
> > one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
> on
> > the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
> passion
> > for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> > match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
> was.He
> > surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
> is
> > United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
> say
> > to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
> a
> > disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
> at
> > Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
> win
> > over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
> taken
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:31:03 -0800 (PST)
From: natalia ina <natalia_ina17@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FIFA 06

umm..suprisely not yet

kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com> wrote:have u guys played fifa 06?

Samantha Bond <football_crazy_kiwi_chick@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
the arses are the worst of them all!!!!! can't stand those arrogant arses

Ash <ashleymillin@yahoo.com> wrote: Damn right you are. I lived in London for 3 years and it was
sickening the way Arsenal thought they are a great club on a level
with United. We've achieved more with even more players. Arsenal
only came to prominence with Viera and Henry but this will all
change soon as one half is gone. Last years cup final is best
forgotten. We wanted it more, we deserved it more and we gave more
than them. If it's any consolation, each time we play them if we put
up that kind of performance......kerching!!jackpot. It was just not
our day.
As for "special one", we made him. When Porto came to Old Trafford
and got a draw in the champions league he suddenly became the talk
of the town and everyone overlooked the fact he is just an
interpreter. But he's here now and we have to live with him. We
won't slip up like last season. We'll frustrate them all the way and
when it comes time for him to choose between the league and Europe
around Feb/March we'll pounce. We always have kicked in around that
time so until then....... be united, be strong because this is
Manchester United and we will not be silenced and roll over like the
Gunners and liverpool did. This time we fight them!

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Samantha Bond
<football_crazy_kiwi_chick@y...> wrote:
>
> i will not give the arses a break!!!! i'll hate them if i want
to!!!!! no true manchester united fan will give the arses a
break!!!! so, don't tell me to give the arses a break otherwise
you'll make me very angry!!!!
>
> yoga@a... wrote:
> It's okay when u dislike arsenal as the club, but u don't need to
hate them
> that much.
> U should give them break for some times.
> Deadly love MU!!
>
>
>
>

> Samantha
Bond

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>
>
>
> i was in london when we played the arses in the fa cup final this
year.
> most of my housemates supported the arses and i was very upset by
the way
> the arses won the game in the end!!!! after the game i went to the
shop and
> you should've seen all the drunk arses fans running around like
maniacs in
> the shops with their arses shirts and scarfs! they were pathetic
running
> around screaming like little kids!!!! i almost got into a fight
with them
> but my brother pulled me away from them (Embedded image moved to
file:
> pic08723.gif) i hate the arses and their fans!!!!
>
> cheers
>
> sam
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> KUNAL .. you don't have to be the best team to win a match. in the
> FA Cup final against the arse last year we were surely the better
> team but we still lost the match!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > result was in our favour
> > but
> > i think we were not the only best team on the pitch
> > and everybody knows that
> >
> > but still it was a fabulous win for us
> >
> > well done!!
> >
> >
> > harish_sep22 <harish_sep22@y...> wrote:
> > Wow! What a week.After the humiliation at Boro and the defeat at
> > Lille,Manchester United have ended the week on a high.The master
> > tactician put one over the self proclaimed"Chosen One".
Everything
> > that was lacking in United last week at Riverside was in
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> at
> > Old Trafford yesterday.The fans at Old Trafford were superb
> yesterday
> > making helluva of a noise.United were hungry for the win
yesterday
> > and Alan Smith sort of epitomised United yesterday.They were
> winnning
> > all the fifty fifties and created the better chances. In the post
> > match interview when Jose said that we were lucky,I could not
help
> > but laugh.If my memory serves me right I think they created only
3
> > clear cut chances.What a bad loser Jose is.I cant remember Van
der
> > sar being troubled too much,except making a brilliant save from
> > Lampard.It was not as though United were defending the whole
> time.We
> > had the better chances when Ruud hit one over the bar and Scholes
> put
> > one just wide and only a lucky block stopped Rooney from getting
> on
> > the scoresheet. And if anyone doubted Sir Alex's hunger and
> passion
> > for the game,all I have to say is this"Shut your mouth".His post
> > match interview showed he is just as passionate as he always
> was.He
> > surprised Chelsea with the change in formation and tactics and it
> is
> > United's best performance yet this season.Here is what I have to
> say
> > to Jose and Chelsea,"You can never be United". Though midweek was
> a
> > disappointment,if anyone had asked me after the Boro match"Defeat
> at
> > Lille in a hostile atmosphere and unfavourable conditions and a
> win
> > over Chelsea and their loud-mouth manager,I think I would have
> taken
> > it.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:44:57 -0000
From: "wisdomking456" <wisdomking456@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: worked well

beckham and rooney worked well shame beckham not still at man utd

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:15:42 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to WTC

KUNAL ... doesn't really matter even if crespo and robben played for
the rent boys. the way our midfield played it doesn't matter who
the opposition was because they just totally outplayed them. i am
not sold on crespo on club level. robben is an outstanding left guy
but he doesn't like to play a rough game. chelski lost the match
and so we move on to charlton!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> i meant his stratergies were different from what jose would have
thought
>
> jose said before the kick-off that they are matching with us by
playing 3 in the middle.
>
> but , that wasn't the case as he played 4 in the middle as that
turned out to be a better option.
>
> FOOTBALL IS ALSO ABOUT STRATEGIES AND MIND GAMES.
>
>
> crespo and robben were not on the bench
>
> they would have been vital for the blues as they are quality
players
> robben playing with duff was electric last season and crespo is a
world class player
>
> AND DENYING THIS FACT WILL BE FOOLISH
>
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> were robben and crespo available for that match? were they even
on
> the bench? i wouldn't consider it outwitting ... the red devils
> just outplayed the rent boys on the pitch!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > the team selection from JOSE was a blunder.
> >
> > not playing robben and crespo.
> >
> > robben playing with duff was simply electrifying in the previous
> season
> >
> > i think SIR ALEX outwittted JOSE
> >
> > we played 4 in the middle which really helped us to tackle their
> big 3 in the middle
> >
> > they would have outplayed us if we were 3 in the middle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> > PRESTON .. i think he was right about our wingers giving the
rent
> > boys a hard time and our central midfield outmuscling theirs. i
> > think that's one reason jose substituted essien. wonder if we
had
> > the same result is robben was playing that day.
> >
> > Reni
> >
> > --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Preston Adams
> > <preston_adams101@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fellers, check out this article I read on soccernet.com,
> absolutely
> > scalding the blue jerks...
> > >
> > >
> > > 'Special One' needs new plan?
> > >
> > >
> > > By Norman Hubbard
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you beat Chelsea? Follow these three simple steps. Get
> your
> > loose cannon of a captain to condemn most of his team-mates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then loft a deep cross to a seemingly nondescript midfielder,
> one
> > of those criticised and a player of no known aerial ability, and
> > watch him head in from an improbable angle.
> > >
> > > Finally, watch your dilettante defender star in a sterling
> > rearguard action.
> > >
> > > Simple, really. You wonder why no one else thought of it
first.
> > Manchester United's 1-0 victory at Old Trafford ended Chelsea's
> > unbeaten run in the Premiership, stretching back 13 months to
> their
> > visit to Manchester City. It says much about Manchester United
> that
> > they have been reduced to the role of giant killers, albeit
giants
> > with aspirations of immortality; first Arsenal - then 49 not
out -
> > and now a second seemingly invincible side from the capital.
> > >
> > > Chelsea, meanwhile, have now suffered back-to-back defeats and
> only
> > won one of their last five games. It is hardly a crisis but
chinks
> in
> > Jose Mourinho's formidable and expensively-acquired armour are
> > starting to appear.
> > >
> > > A defence recently regarded as unbreachable has now conceded
in
> > five successive games. On Sunday, Chelsea were outflanked,
beaten
> by
> > a goal created by the left winger (Cristiano Ronaldo) and scored
> by
> > his counterpart on the right flank (Darren Fletcher). As
> Manchester
> > United showed, quick passing to either wing can leave Chelsea's
> full
> > backs isolated until their wingers drop back or the central
> > midfielders come across to provide cover.
> > >
> > > United showed, too, that Claude Makelele can be negated.
> Attacking
> > on the flanks bypasses his sphere of influence while, when
Chelsea
> > regained possession, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy left
> John
> > Terry and William Gallas unattended to focus on the Frenchman.
Man-
> > marking brings to mind the shackling of a flamboyant talent,
> > something Makelele patently is not.
> > >
> > > But, of all Claudio Ranieri's eclectic metaphors, the most
> fitting
> > was his description of Makelele as Chelsea's battery. Stopping
him
> > hinders his team-mates as much as the midfielder himself; he is
> the
> > man they rely on for the failsafe pass, the back-up ball if more
> > ambitious alternatives are not available.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stopping Makelele hinders his team-mates as much as the
> midfielder
> > himself "
> > >
> > > Stop Makelele and you stop Chelsea? Not quite, but it makes
for
> > more of disjointed game when the champions are deprived of their
> > usual fluency. But a midfield trio noted for their energy - and
> all
> > seemingly immune from rotation - appeared a little off the pace;
> > consider the number of times Manchester United had time to shoot
> from
> > 20 or 30 yards.
> > >
> > > Michael Essien was the first man substituted, and it may have
> > revealed the comparative weakness in the Chelsea squad.
Mourinho's
> > vision of two players for each position is well known; in
> midfield,
> > however, the alternatives are perpetual fringe man Geremi,
> converted
> > striker Eidur Gudjohnsen and the untried Lassana Diarra.
> > >
> > > James Beattie's theory, voiced after Everton held Chelsea at
> > Goodison Park, was that Mourinho's men struggled against a more
> > physical approach. Though Alan Smith took no prisoners with his
> > tackling at Old Trafford, adversity, and not the sight of Duncan
> > Ferguson's elbows, appears the rattle Chelsea.
> > >
> > > Didier Drogba, their most improved player, is invariably the
> first
> > to react.
> > >
> > > Perhaps his real complaint is a lack of service. It is a
telling
> > statistic that Chelsea's last two setbacks in both the
Premiership
> > and the Champions League have come by the same scoreline, 1-0.
One
> > explanation is that few sides score twice against Chelsea
anyway,
> but
> > it is also indicative of the importance of scoring the first
goal.
> > Admittedly, Bolton did so and were still swept aside
imperiously.
> > >
> > > For Real Betis and Manchester United, however, one goal
> sufficed.
> > It is a reminder that Mourinho has constructed his side on
> defensive
> > foundations, that whereas the initial impulse for Arsenal or
> > Barcelona is to attack, for Chelsea it is not to concede.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And an indication that the Portuguese's quartet of wingers are
> > below their sparkling best. Damien Duff has only just returned
to
> > fitness, Shaun Wright-Phillips has only shown glimpses of his
> > scintillating best and Arjen Robben scarcely resembles the
> peerless
> > match-winner of 12 months ago.
> > >
> > > In itself, it is an sign of Chelsea's excellence that they can
> > prosper without contributions from outstanding individuals. They
> may
> > have to do so again; Hernan Crespo has provided the first hint
of
> > mutiny since Ricardo Carvalho's summer outburst (has he taken
that
> IQ
> > test yet?).
> > >
> > > And it gives Mourinho plenty of food for thought over the
> > international break. Having mischievously declared that he
thought
> > his job would be in danger after three successive defeats, he
must
> > prepare for an improving Newcastle team aiming for the hat-
trick.
> > After blaming the rest of the Premiership for not challenging
> > Chelsea. Manchester United have thrown down the gauntlet.
> Suggesting
> > a national holiday when Chelsea lose has, at the least, earned
him
> > the admiration of the work-shy.
> > >
> > > With the cushion of a six-point lead in the Premiership, he
can
> > turn his attention to easing the burden on the admirable Frank
> > Lampard for goals, making either Crespo or Gudjohnsen a
plausible
> > alternative to Drogba again, revitalising the out-of-sorts
wingers
> > and tightening up England's most feared defence.
> > >
> > > And, perhaps, to ensure that a scoreline featuring the
> > words 'Chelsea nil' occurs less often than in the last week.
Time
> to
> > tweak the master plan, Jose?
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:40:49 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: worked well

mate .. get over it .. Becks is gone and will never come back. same
thing with Cantona, Butt, Schmikes, Coley, Yorkie, Phil Neville,
Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, etc .... no use crying over spilled milk.
we're not even sure if Fergie would buy Rooney if Becks was still
playing for us and playing like he normally does.

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, "wisdomking456"
<wisdomking456@h...> wrote:
>
> beckham and rooney worked well shame beckham not still at man utd
>

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:49:46 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Brucie on KEANO!

"Where do you get another one like Roy Keane? It is very difficult.
I'm sure he's still got a bit to play. None of us will know what Roy
is thinking of. He will make a decision which is right for Roy. It is
always difficult when you've been there, seen it, won it, worn the T-
shirt like he has. It is always about the timing. But I think Roy is
capable of playing for another couple of years in the Premiership,
without question. Roy was fearless from the first day he walked into
United. Bryan Robson was just coming to the end of his career and you
needed a big player to go anywhere near filling his boots. I don't
think there could have been anyone better at the time than Roy. I was
fortunate to play with Keane, Robson and Paul Ince in the same team
at times. They were fearless and frightening. We didn't lose many! I
felt for him and Paul Scholes when they missed out on the European
Cup final after picking up a yellow card in the semi-final. But it
showed you what Roy is like because, although he knew he would miss
the final, he produced an unbelievable performance against Juventus.
That summed it up. He dragged Manchester United from 2-0 down to win
3-2. He was fantastic. It has to be your worst nightmare to be
suspended for a European Cup final but he put it out of his mind. He
is a great player and a legend."

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:54:45 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: On Life, Post The American Leprechaun

'Britons have a curious attitude towards foreign participation in
their home-grown sports. South African-born Kevin Pietersen was
hailed as an English cricketing hero during the summer. Canadian-born
tennis player Greg Rusedski is a firm favourite at the All England
club. Sven-Goran Eriksson, on the other hand, has recently been
lambasted for his lack of passion at the helm of English football.

But for many devotees of the beautiful game, the purchase of
Manchester United by the American serial entrepreneur Malcolm Glazer
in May was the final straw. Fans issued death threats to the 76-year-
old businessman known as "the Leprechaun" for his ginger beard and
small stature. Even the new Archbishop of York, the Rt Rev John
Sentamu, was said to be "horrified" by the takeover.

Yet despite all the sound and fury, season-ticket sales have not
suffered significantly. Average attendance has enjoyed a slight rise,
while the rest of the Premiership has been suffering a stark decline.
Fans even queued for autographs when Glazer's sons attended their
first match at Old Trafford, although one complains: "It took me
longer to get out of the car park while they were smuggled on to a
private helicopter."

"We all felt that the focus would return to the team once the season
had got under way," says an Old Trafford spokesman. For the most
part, so it has proved, with loyal supporters resorting to a very
British sense of irony. "Rooney's scored a touchdown," they sang
after the potato-faced striker put United 2-0 up at Goodison Park.
The Mirror has had fun, too, with a regular column called Malcolm
Glazer Talks Soccer. "Yo, Sir Alec," it asked on August 29. "How many
dollars will it cost me to buy this pitcher Flintoff?"

Not everyone has been so forgiving. Now playing nine levels below the
Premiership in the North West Counties Second Division is FC United
of Manchester (FCUM), formed in June this year by disenchanted
Manchester United fans. "This is not just a reaction to Malcolm
Glazer," said one member of the steering committee. "It is about
taking a stand for the vast number of ordinary fans who have been
priced out of the game in recent years."

Season ticket holders at FCUM are certainly enjoying excellent value
for money on their £112 investment (compared with £684 for a season
ticket at Old Trafford). Their team is currently top of the league
and attracting crowds in excess of 2,000 in a division which averaged
only 71 a game last season.

"There is a brilliant atmosphere on the terraces," says club
secretary Luke Zentar. Favourite chants include "Stand up cos you've
got no seats"; "FC United, the only club in Manchester not in debt";
and "Marginson's fruit & veg army" (Karl Marginson, the team's
manager, gets up at 3am every day to deliver groceries).

Stars include Barrie George, who keeps goal for England's partially
sighted team, and Paul Mitten, grandson of the legendary Busby Babe
winger, Charlie Mitten. Rory Patterson - who was voted player of the
month in August - has gained the soubriquet "the man with no name"
after playing his opening matches with no number on his back.

"We're not an anti-United vehicle," insists Zentar, somewhat
incongruously. "Many of our fans still support both teams, and we
announce the results from Old Trafford over the Tannoy."

As the furore over Glazer subsides a couple of stops down the
Metrolink, the better-known Manchester United is, understandably,
more worried about its recent on-pitch troubles. "We bear them no ill-
will at all," says a spokesman.'

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:05:54 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Franco's Fascist Team, Richer Than Us?

'Real Madrid said it ended Manchester United's eight-year reign as
the world's biggest soccer team by revenue after signing players such
as David Beckham and Zinedine Zidane. Madrid's revenue increased 17
percent to 275.7 million euros ($332.2 million) in the year ended
June 30, according to accounts mailed to club members this week.
Bloomberg News obtained a copy of the documents. United, which hasn't
published figures for that period, had sales of 169 million pounds
($298.6 million) for the year through July 31, 2004. Since Florentino
Perez, 58, took over as club president five years ago, he's more than
tripled sponsorship and merchandising revenue even as the team
struggles on the field. Madrid, which won the last of its record nine
European titles in 2002, is trying to avoid a third straight season
without a trophy for the first time in 53 years. "The policy of
signing the likes of Beckham and Zidane is driving Real Madrid's
popularity," Oliver Butler, an account manager in London for sports
consultant Sport+Markt AG, said in a phone interview. "None of
Manchester United's players have the same kind of appeal." Madrid
expects to lift revenue to 300.1 million euros in fiscal 2006, the
accounts showed. Profit fell 20 percent to 30.3 million euros in the
latest period as the cost of paying its all- star squad rose 17
percent to 144.5 million euros. England's United had net income of
19.4 million pounds for the year to July 31, 2004. "The foundations
on which we face the 21st century are so solid that our identity and
leadership are guaranteed," Perez said in a statement in the
accounts. From a sports perspective "we want more," he said. The club
press office declined to comment. Madrid, like its Spanish archrival
Barcelona, is owned by its members. They will be asked to approve the
accounts at their annual meeting Oct. 2. United's profit in the six
months ended January 2005 slumped 52 percent after defeats on the
field eroded television revenue. In September last year, the club
forecast a 14 million-pound decline in full-year income from
broadcasting. United will file its accounts for fiscal 2005 by the
end of April 2006, spokesman Phil Townsend said. He declined to
comment on Madrid's accounts. Manchester United, whose players
include strikers Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy, has had the
highest revenue of any club since 1997, according to an annual survey
compiled by accountancy firm Deloitte & Touche LLP. U.S. billionaire
Malcolm Glazer returned the club to private ownership in June after
buying it for 790 million pounds. "United aren't ahead of the game
like they were four or five years ago," Edward Freeman, who ran
United's merchandising unit in the 1990s, said in a phone
interview. "They've lost the initiative in the Asian market." The 30-
year-old Beckham, signed from United in 2003, helped lift Madrid's
sales of merchandising such as jerseys by 67 percent to 50.8 million
euros in his first season, and by another 6.5 percent to 54.1 million
euros last campaign. Sponsorship and advertising income rose 78
percent to 45.9 million euros after Madrid signed an extension of its
jersey sponsorship with Siemens AG through the end of this season on
improved terms, the club said. It declined to provide figures. Madrid
players share 50 percent of income from personal endorsements with
the team. Youth Development United is unlikely to follow Madrid in
acquiring star players to boost revenue, said Leigh Webb, an analyst
at Panmure Gordon & Co. in London. "United prefers to develop young
players who become famous by winning trophies with the club," Webb
said. Glazer, 77, has yet to disclose his plans for the club, he
said. Madrid's France midfielder Zidane and Brazil striker Ronaldo
have six world player of the year awards between them. Like Alex
Ferguson's United team, Madrid failed to reach the Champions League
quarterfinals last season, when it finished second in the league to
archrival Barcelona. Madrid needs to start winning trophies or its
sales growth will be affected, Freedman said. "If you win the
Champions League your income spirals," he said. "You have to be
successful, if not in the short term then in the long term." Coached
by Vanderlei Luxemburgo, Madrid spent 77.2 million euros signing
Brazil forwards Robinho and Julio Baptista, and Spain defender Sergio
Ramos before the current season, according to the accounts. The club
got 42.9 million euros for selling Michael Owen to Newcastle, and
Walter Samuel and Santiago Solari to Inter Milan.'

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:24:01 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: More From Franco's Fascist Team

'Manchester United, who will cease to be a plc later this month when
the Glazer family compulsorily buy out the last few people who still
own shares, are no longer the biggest club in the world.

United had enjoyed that position for eight years through their Stock
Market valuation and their income. But since the American business
tycoon Malcolm Glazer and his family finally succeeded in their
takeover battle at Old Trafford in May, Manchester United have been
de-listed from the Market and now Real Madrid, who have just issued
their accounts, claim they are making more money than United.

Real Madrid's income increased 17 per cent to 275.7 million euros
(£183.8 million) in the year ended June 30, 2005, according to
accounts mailed to shareholders of the Spanish club. We will not know
what United, as a private company, earned for that period until next
April.

Madrid's figures for last season are well ahead of what United earned
in the year to July 31, 2004, when their income was £169 million.

An exultant Florentino Perez, the president of Real Madrid, said in a
statement in the accounts: "The foundations on which we face the 21st
century are so solid that our identity and leadership are guaranteed.
From a sports perspective we want more."

For Perez this is justification of the policy he initiated five years
ago when he was elected president. His first step was to sign
galacticos such as Luis Figo, Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo and David
Beckham. In those five years Perez has more than tripled the club's
revenue from sponsorship and merchandising.

"The policy of signing the likes of Beckham and Zidane is driving
Real Madrid's popularity," said Oliver Butler of sports consultants
Sport+Markt AG. "None of Manchester United's players have the same
kind of appeal."

The galacticos cost a lot of money in wages, and profits fell 20 per
cent to £20.2 million as the cost of paying the all-star squad rose
17 per cent to £96.3 million. However, Madrid expect to lift revenue
to more than £200 million this season.

"United aren't ahead of the game like they were four or five years
ago," said Edward Freedman, who helped launch United's merchandising
revolution in the Nineties. "They've lost the initiative in the Asian
market."

In contrast, Beckham helped lift Madrid's merchandising revenue by 67
per cent to £33.8 million in his first season, and by another 6.5 per
cent to £36.06 million during the last campaign.

However, said Freedman, Madrid - who have been trophy-less in the
last two seasons - need to start winning or their sales growth will
be affected. "If you win the Champions League your income spirals.
You have to be successful, if not in the short term then in the long
term."

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:26:11 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Didier Zokora

'Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is weighing up a January
bid for Didier Zokora, according to reports in France.

The Ivory Coast international is rated as one of the finest defensive
midfielders in Le Championnat following Michael Essien's move from
Lyon to Chelsea, and Ferguson has been impressed by the St Etienne
star.

Speculation is rife that United could even propose a draft agreement
within the next month or so in preparation for securing the 24-year-
old's signature in the New Year.

The Red Devils are keen to find a long-term replacement for Roy Keane
with Alan Smith gallantly filling in for the injured Republic of
Ireland international, who has admitted this could be his last season
at Old Trafford.

Zokora does have African Cup of Nations commitments in 2006 but is
believed to be one of the names on Ferguson's wanted list.

Indeed, the midfield pivot has already declared that both United and
Chelsea have been tracking his progress for some time.

Bayern Munich star Michael Ballack has long been touted as first
option and it does seem certain there will be movement in that area
of the United squad come the next transfer window.'

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:34:21 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: TV Deal Talk

'Britain's new cable giant is planning an audacious bid to undercut
Sky by offering Premiership football subscription packages for as
little as £10 a month. The company to be formed by the merger of NTL
and Telewest is planning to offer an estimated £200m a year for
Premiership rights if the European Commission rules that no single
broadcaster can bid for more than 50% of the games. In 2003 Sky paid
£1.02bn for an exclusive three-year deal to televise all live
Premiership games.

Simon Duffy, the new company's chief executive-in-waiting, said
yesterday that Sky had underpaid for football rights and a fairer
auction would generate more cash for clubs and better value for
supporters. He held out the prospect of some matches being shown live
on free-to-air channels.

A bid from NTL depends on the Commission being successful in
restructuring the auction's rules. It is preparing legal action
against the league for failing to take sufficient steps to stop Sky
renewing its monopoly. In 2003 Sky won the rights to screen all 138
live games a season, despite an attempt by the Commission to
introduce more competition. Sky outbid all other broadcasters for the
four separate packages of matches.

Sky's rivals support the Commission's view that the new contract for
2007-10 should limit any single broadcaster to 50% of the available
matches. Duffy said: "If you look at the way the Premier League has
been bid for and sold over the last several years ... the amount of
money going into the game has gone down and the amount of money
people have to pay to watch Premiership games on TV has gone up. That
can't be right." With a combined total of 5m customers, the new cable
company believes it has the muscle to take on Sky, which has 7.8m
subscribers. NTL plans a separate, dedicated Premiership channel,
with subscriptions costing around £10 a month. Sky Sports packages -
which include four channels showing a range of sports - cost between
£28 and £34 a month.

"We want [football fans] to watch as many games as they can at the
best prices they can without having to watch a lot of other
channels," said Duffy. The cable operator believes the deal for the
2007-10 rights should also include live Premiership matches on free-
to-air channels for the first time. He told Radio 5 Live: "We believe
we can take money out of Sky's pocket and give it back to the game
and into people's pockets."

and

'Richard Scudamore is paid hefty bonuses for securing the Premier
League's lucrative television deals. This has made him the highest-
paid executive in football. His first bonus in 2001 was £320,000,
which took his pay to £653,495.

In 2002 Scudamore's bonus, specifically related to the Premiership's
broadcasting agreements, was £325,000, swelling his pay to £717,000.
The following year it was £200,000 out of his total pay of £628,000.
In 2004 Scudamore was paid a £400,000 bonus which gave him his
highest pay package of all: £866,000.

He and the Premier League staff present the European Commission's
challenge, not without feeling, as a threat to a functioning league
and to payments to the Football Foundation - as a cracking up of
football as we know it. Yet it is true that Scudamore is rewarded
hugely for bringing his 20 paymasters their habitual TV bonanza.

In the opinion of Labour MPs, many of whom represent poor
constituencies with dire public football facilities where fans cannot
afford to go to matches or where the local club has been in severe
financial difficulties partly due to the gap between the Premiership
and the rest, Scudamore may find the whole campaign a harder sell
this time round.'

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:37:24 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mini-Hun For United?

'Hearts have confirmed that Manchester United have expressed an
interest in their starlet Daniel Galbraith. The young Hearts
midfielder, aged just 15, is one of the Scotland's brightest
prospects and a number of clubs have been alerted to his progress.
Galbraith is being tipped to be one of the stars of the forthcoming
Victory Shield tournament - which you can see live on Sky Sports -
and a host of scouts are sure to take an interest.

Reports north of the border had suggested that United had already
lodged a bid of £50,000 - but this has been denied by Hearts' academy
director John Murray.

"No bid has been accepted for Daniel Galbraith," Murray told
skysports.com.

"Manchester United have been in contact and have asked to be kept
informed of developments. They have been looking at him for a year
now, but there is no offer from them. I do know there are other
clubs, from England, who are interested - but they have unfortunately
chosen to go behind my back and have approached the player's family
direct. Manchester United have had the courtesy and decency to
contact me - as they did when they signed David Gray. But that is
modern football, we would not be foolish to just say no to any club -
but Daniel is signed with us until next year, although he is
obviously not yet on professional terms."

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:42:55 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: United Flags Flying High

OLD TRAFFORD EURO FLAG NIGHTS - Lille and Villareal

Do you own a Manchester United flag?

Be it one of those available outside the ground on the small sticks
or one of the great array of flags seen at Euro aways.

Stretford End Flags have called for Old Traffords Euro nights to be
flag nights.

If you sit in the North stand tiers 2 or 3 or in the East Stand
upper, then bring along your flags to be hung at the front of the
stands. On European nights, these areas carry no adverts and as a
result the club will allow you to hang your own personal flags here.
PLEASE ENSURE that the HEIGHT of your flags, is reasonable and that
it will NOT block the view of those on the tiers below.

If you sit on the lower tiers and have sections of stand where the
green mesh covers the seats, you can also place your flags on top of
this, as long as they don't span accross exit aisles.

The Stretford End banners will cover the normal area, so fans are
asked not to cover the Stretford End banners.

Together, we can help improve the atmosphere and colour at Old
Trafford on these nights.

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:54:12 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fergie's Trademark Woes

'Long-suffering referees on the receiving end of Sir Alex Ferguson's
tongue have never considered any aspect of the Manchester United
manager to be "devoid of any distinctive character". But a High Court
judge begged to differ, ruling that one of the most famous names in
football was simply too common to allow Sir Alex to trademark it and
secure the exclusive right to sell posters and photographs of himself.

Judge Charles Hamilton had been asked to examine whether Sir
Alexander Chapman Ferguson may be registered as a trademark. A ruling
in his favour would have meant his name could not be used without
permission on goods and services from dolls and posters to pencil
cases and even magazine articles.

In the case of posters and photographs and other written matter, the
judge ruled that the 63-year-old has no right and his name should not
be registered under the 1994 Trademarks Act. In a written judgment
almost as opaque as one of the Scotsman's press conferences, the
judge said that since Sir Alex's name was "devoid of any character",
its use on printed material did not convey a sense of who produced
the material and so did not enable that individual to capitalise
financially from using the name. Rather, it was simply a means of
identification. As such, it could not therefore be trademarked.

Various extracts from internet sites showed that the name Alex
Ferguson was used to identify photo-graphs, posters and prints, the
judge said. "These references underline the importance that in
relation to certain goods, the mark should not be registered."

Manchester United has refused to say if Sir Alex will bring out a
range of his own goods, so the man with the ordinary name is limited
to his £4m-a-year salary.'

FROM BBC

'His lawyer Alan Fiddes said he would appeal against the decision
under the Human Rights Act.

"Our argument is that Sir Alex Ferguson and other famous people are
being discriminated against because they are famous," he said.

"A non-famous person would be able to trademark their image, but
because Sir Alex is already famous he cannot."

Some footballers have successfully trademarked themselves in this
area by applying before they became famous such as Joe Cole who did
this before he was a West Ham first teamer.

"He clearly had very good advice," Mr Fiddes added.

Non-celebrities find it much easier to prevent the use of their
images on posters.

Mr Fiddes said famous people were treated differently because the
regulators thought the public would not see the image being featured
as an indication of endorsement.

"If we win, Sir Alex would be able to sue someone for trademark
infringement if they printed a poster with his name on it," said Mr
Fiddes.

"It's another weapon in his armoury for him to stop people exploiting
his brand image."

TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT

Sir Alex, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, had hoped to get exclusive rights to
sell posters and photographs of himself.

But trademark judge Charles Hamilton ruled the manager's name
was "devoid of any distinctive character".

Sir Alex is also waiting to hear the outcome of a second bid to
benefit from using his name on goods such as jewellery, DVDs,
computer games and toy dolls.

If there are no objections, it will go through on 26 November.'

FROM THE TIMES

'SIR ALEX FERGUSON has claimed that his human rights are being abused
after he was denied the right to stop people from selling posters
bearing his name. The Manchester United manager had sought to gain
exclusive rights to the use of his own name on posters and stickers
depicting his image, but was rebuffed by the trademarks registry
because he is too famous.

Charles Hamilton, the barrister appointed to rule on Sir Alex's
application, declared that other people should be allowed to use his
name on posters because the public would not see this as the
manager's endorsement.

Alan Fiddes, Sir Alex's lawyer, said that the ruling was in breach of
his client's human rights because it discriminated against famous
people.

Non-celebrities are allowed to protect their names on posters because
the public will assume that the name refers to the creator of the
poster as well as the person depicted.

Some celebrities, such as Joe Cole, the England and Chelsea
midfielder, have been able to protect poster trademarks for their
names because they registered them before they were famous.

Mr Fiddes said that Cole's case showed the inconsistency of the
ruling. "He applied when he was still young and he got it," he said.

If Sir Alex succeeds, he will open the floodgates for other
celebrities who want to make money out of posters bearing their image.

David Beckham would stand to gain hundreds of thousands of pounds if
he were able to control the use of his name on posters bearing his
image. He earns more from endorsements and merchandising than he does
from playing football.

Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney have also protected their names for non-
poster merchandise including umbrellas, key rings, dolls and
medallions.

Sir Alex has also applied for trademarks for a range of products
including clothing and commemorative coins.

These are likely to pass unopposed. Mr Fiddes said that Sir Alex had
plans to exploit all of his trademarks, but declined to comment on
whether a Sir Alex Ferguson doll would be forthcoming.

Mark Hickey, a trademark specialist for Murgitroyd & Company, said
that it was difficult to judge when individuals had become too famous
to be allowed to register their name for posters.

GAME OF CELEBRITIES

Celebrities cannot register their names for "image carrier"
trademarks, such as posters, but non-celebrities can

The test is whether someone buying a poster would assume that
an "Alex Ferguson poster" referred to its subject or the person who
made it.

Would-be celebrities can register their names before they become
famous. Other products may imply endorsement. Buyers of the Alex
Ferguson Player Manager 2002 computer game, for example, can assume
that it is endorsed by the manager.'

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:00:18 -0000
From: "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Freddie Adu Fancies Premiership

giving United and then Chelsea hint using the Mikel approach...he's
only 16

"I can't wait, it will be a lot of fun. Hopefully I will be at the
World Cup next year hopefully, the year after when I am 18 I will be
in England. Chelsea, Manchester United, those are my two teams right
there - I would love to play for either of those, but I am not
allowed to play in England, my preferred league, until I am 18. Pele
thinks I could be the next big thing or I could be great, if that is
coming from Pele - then hey you have to believe it"

American coach Bruce Arena.

"The fact is that he is 16, you know how they are at that age even
Wayne Rooney has his ups and downs. But in time we will recognise
what a good player he is."

on the RN forum That boy Ronaldo 7 wrote: "Saw the interview myself.
My immediate concern was that he specifically mentioned United and
Chelsea, but towards the end of the interview he said that Chelsea
would be a dream as they had spoken to him over the summer. We all
know that for a young player that place is not right, see Wright
Phillips, how can he develop on the subs bench? I just hope United
are selling themselves to him, as he is impressionable and we can
offer a young player a lot more than Chelsea (bar money)...IMO, we
should be chasing this little fella for all we're worth.

Bomber wrote: "His £1m sponsorship deal is with Nike, so there may be
some leverage there. His good impression of Chelsea comes from
meeting them during their pre-season tour. It's still at least one
more season before he comes over, and aren't we due to tour the
States before then. If he goes to the world cup, expect Tim Howard to
have been told to give him the fluttering eyelashes. He looks very
exciting. BTW, Mikel's "proper" agent still maintains he wants to
join us. Perhaps if FIFA rule for us, and we get him to Carrington,
we can bring him round. Aparrently the hotel he's staying in is paid
for by Chelsea, and his agent Shittu is in the next room."

Snoopy: "I saw the interview and his cockiness in mentioning 2 clubs
in particular pi**ed me off. It seemed more like a very calculated
ploy to start an auction. Something more orchestrated by an agent
then the player himself. The whole interview, was punctuated with
very deliberate statements like "The Premiership, my preferred league"

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:53:32 +0530
From: "H@lby" <halbykvarghese@gmail.com>
Subject: Picture of old trafford

dear friends this is the picture of our Old trafford stadium that i searched
from google earth.. isnt it amazing

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:39:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: kunal kohli <kunalkohli173@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Reply to WTC

WHATEVER!!!!

i know u r a MAN UTD fan like me
but i am also a FOOTBALL fan which probably u r not
now let's stop talking about chelsea an d move on to CHARLTON

"WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
KUNAL ... doesn't really matter even if crespo and robben played for
the rent boys. the way our midfield played it doesn't matter who
the opposition was because they just totally outplayed them. i am
not sold on crespo on club level. robben is an outstanding left guy
but he doesn't like to play a rough game. chelski lost the match
and so we move on to charlton!

Reni

--- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
<kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
>
> i meant his stratergies were different from what jose would have
thought
>
> jose said before the kick-off that they are matching with us by
playing 3 in the middle.
>
> but , that wasn't the case as he played 4 in the middle as that
turned out to be a better option.
>
> FOOTBALL IS ALSO ABOUT STRATEGIES AND MIND GAMES.
>
>
> crespo and robben were not on the bench
>
> they would have been vital for the blues as they are quality
players
> robben playing with duff was electric last season and crespo is a
world class player
>
> AND DENYING THIS FACT WILL BE FOOLISH
>
>
> "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> were robben and crespo available for that match? were they even
on
> the bench? i wouldn't consider it outwitting ... the red devils
> just outplayed the rent boys on the pitch!
>
> Reni
>
> --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, kunal kohli
> <kunalkohli173@y...> wrote:
> >
> > the team selection from JOSE was a blunder.
> >
> > not playing robben and crespo.
> >
> > robben playing with duff was simply electrifying in the previous
> season
> >
> > i think SIR ALEX outwittted JOSE
> >
> > we played 4 in the middle which really helped us to tackle their
> big 3 in the middle
> >
> > they would have outplayed us if we were 3 in the middle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "WTC: In Memoriam!!" <balat_ulo@y...> wrote:
> > PRESTON .. i think he was right about our wingers giving the
rent
> > boys a hard time and our central midfield outmuscling theirs. i
> > think that's one reason jose substituted essien. wonder if we
had
> > the same result is robben was playing that day.
> >
> > Reni
> >
> > --- In Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com, Preston Adams
> > <preston_adams101@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fellers, check out this article I read on soccernet.com,
> absolutely
> > scalding the blue jerks...
> > >
> > >
> > > 'Special One' needs new plan?
> > >
> > >
> > > By Norman Hubbard
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you beat Chelsea? Follow these three simple steps. Get
> your
> > loose cannon of a captain to condemn most of his team-mates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then loft a deep cross to a seemingly nondescript midfielder,
> one
> > of those criticised and a player of no known aerial ability, and
> > watch him head in from an improbable angle.
> > >
> > > Finally, watch your dilettante defender star in a sterling
> > rearguard action.
> > >
> > > Simple, really. You wonder why no one else thought of it
first.
> > Manchester United's 1-0 victory at Old Trafford ended Chelsea's
> > unbeaten run in the Premiership, stretching back 13 months to
> their
> > visit to Manchester City. It says much about Manchester United
> that
> > they have been reduced to the role of giant killers, albeit
giants
> > with aspirations of immortality; first Arsenal - then 49 not
out -
> > and now a second seemingly invincible side from the capital.
> > >
> > > Chelsea, meanwhile, have now suffered back-to-back defeats and
> only
> > won one of their last five games. It is hardly a crisis but
chinks
> in
> > Jose Mourinho's formidable and expensively-acquired armour are
> > starting to appear.
> > >
> > > A defence recently regarded as unbreachable has now conceded
in
> > five successive games. On Sunday, Chelsea were outflanked,
beaten
> by
> > a goal created by the left winger (Cristiano Ronaldo) and scored
> by
> > his counterpart on the right flank (Darren Fletcher). As
> Manchester
> > United showed, quick passing to either wing can leave Chelsea's
> full
> > backs isolated until their wingers drop back or the central
> > midfielders come across to provide cover.
> > >
> > > United showed, too, that Claude Makelele can be negated.
> Attacking
> > on the flanks bypasses his sphere of influence while, when
Chelsea
> > regained possession, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy left
> John
> > Terry and William Gallas unattended to focus on the Frenchman.
Man-
> > marking brings to mind the shackling of a flamboyant talent,
> > something Makelele patently is not.
> > >
> > > But, of all Claudio Ranieri's eclectic metaphors, the most
> fitting
> > was his description of Makelele as Chelsea's battery. Stopping
him
> > hinders his team-mates as much as the midfielder himself; he is
> the
> > man they rely on for the failsafe pass, the back-up ball if more
> > ambitious alternatives are not available.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stopping Makelele hinders his team-mates as much as the
> midfielder
> > himself "
> > >
> > > Stop Makelele and you stop Chelsea? Not quite, but it makes
for
> > more of disjointed game when the champions are deprived of their
> > usual fluency. But a midfield trio noted for their energy - and
> all
> > seemingly immune from rotation - appeared a little off the pace;
> > consider the number of times Manchester United had time to shoot
> from
> > 20 or 30 yards.
> > >
> > > Michael Essien was the first man substituted, and it may have
> > revealed the comparative weakness in the Chelsea squad.
Mourinho's
> > vision of two players for each position is well known; in
> midfield,
> > however, the alternatives are perpetual fringe man Geremi,
> converted
> > striker Eidur Gudjohnsen and the untried Lassana Diarra.
> > >
> > > James Beattie's theory, voiced after Everton held Chelsea at
> > Goodison Park, was that Mourinho's men struggled against a more
> > physical approach. Though Alan Smith took no prisoners with his
> > tackling at Old Trafford, adversity, and not the sight of Duncan
> > Ferguson's elbows, appears the rattle Chelsea.
> > >
> > > Didier Drogba, their most improved player, is invariably the
> first
> > to react.
> > >
> > > Perhaps his real complaint is a lack of service. It is a
telling
> > statistic that Chelsea's last two setbacks in both the
Premiership
> > and the Champions League have come by the same scoreline, 1-0.
One
> > explanation is that few sides score twice against Chelsea
anyway,
> but
> > it is also indicative of the importance of scoring the first
goal.
> > Admittedly, Bolton did so and were still swept aside
imperiously.
> > >
> > > For Real Betis and Manchester United, however, one goal
> sufficed.
> > It is a reminder that Mourinho has constructed his side on
> defensive
> > foundations, that whereas the initial impulse for Arsenal or
> > Barcelona is to attack, for Chelsea it is not to concede.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And an indication that the Portuguese's quartet of wingers are
> > below their sparkling best. Damien Duff has only just returned
to
> > fitness, Shaun Wright-Phillips has only shown glimpses of his
> > scintillating best and Arjen Robben scarcely resembles the
> peerless
> > match-winner of 12 months ago.
> > >
> > > In itself, it is an sign of Chelsea's excellence that they can
> > prosper without contributions from outstanding individuals. They
> may
> > have to do so again; Hernan Crespo has provided the first hint
of
> > mutiny since Ricardo Carvalho's summer outburst (has he taken
that
> IQ
> > test yet?).
> > >
> > > And it gives Mourinho plenty of food for thought over the
> > international break. Having mischievously declared that he
thought
> > his job would be in danger after three successive defeats, he
must
> > prepare for an improving Newcastle team aiming for the hat-
trick.
> > After blaming the rest of the Premiership for not challenging
> > Chelsea. Manchester United have thrown down the gauntlet.
> Suggesting
> > a national holiday when Chelsea lose has, at the least, earned
him
> > the admiration of the work-shy.
> > >
> > > With the cushion of a six-point lead in the Premiership, he
can
> > turn his attention to easing the burden on the admirable Frank
> > Lampard for goals, making either Crespo or Gudjohnsen a
plausible
> > alternative to Drogba again, revitalising the out-of-sorts
wingers
> > and tightening up England's most feared defence.
> > >
> > > And, perhaps, to ensure that a scoreline featuring the
> > words 'Chelsea nil' occurs less often than in the last week.
Time
> to
> > tweak the master plan, Jose?
>
>
>
>
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